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Tuesday, February 23

THIS WEEKENDS STORM, HYPE OR PREPARATION

Written by: Brian Neudorff:

As we expected this upcoming storm has generated one of our most commented topics so far here on this blog. This morning, there has been a nice back and forth discussion between myself those commenting on last night's post from Chief Meteorologist Scott Hetsko.

An Anonymous poster who wrote: "but the hype continues..." when they ended a comment inspired my blog topic for today. Is what we're doing hype or are we just doing our job?

I went and looked up the definition of "Hype" and I found two:
1. (Noun) - Promotion or advertisement; especially, exaggerated claims.
2. (Verb) "Hyping" - To promote heavily; to advertise or build up.

As I read those two definitions I could see how you could make the argument that we are "hyping" this storm since we are promoting it, and advertising it, but not sure if we qualify for "hype" since I don't think our claims are exaggerated.

As a meteorologist it is my job to predict the future when it comes to the weather. I have a responsibility to inform our viewers of what weather will and can have an impact on their day and even week. If it's going to rain I need to tell them so they can grab their umbrellas and take their rain coat. If it's going to snow, even just a little, then I need to tell them that and depending on how much I need to inform them that it might make travel troublesome.

That is how I approach this storm that is very likely by Thursday night into Saturday. I definitely feel that this storm is along the New England coast is a certainty, the only questions we have is exactly where does the surface center and the upper level centers stack up and how much of an impact will this have on our weather when it finally occurs.

In my opinion and talking with Scott this scenario is typically favorable for us getting a big snow out of a storm like this. Most of the comments this morning trended away from the idea of this being a storm for us and only a couple of inches. Part of that was due to a slight shift east in the center of the storm system by a couple of he models and also the NWS office in Buffalo mentioning that we might get 6-12" here in Western New York.

First off, as I have mentioned numerous time. All comments are welcomed. I love how this has brought a lot of you out to comment, snow lovers and snow haters a like. The one thing that wasn't mentioned from the the National Weather Service Discussion was what they said after mentioning 6-12 inches:

BUT DESPITE MODEL AGREEMENT...CLOSING OFF LOWS ARE NOTORIOUSLY TRICKY TO PIN DOWN EXACTLY WHERE THEY CLOSE OFF...AND ALTHOUGH CONFIDENCE IS HIGH THAT THERE WILL BE A STRONG LOW...DO NOT HAVE HIGH CONFIDENCE IN EXACTLY WHERE IT WILL DEVELOP AND/OR TRACK. THUS...WILL CONTINUE A MENTION IN THE HWO (Hazardous Weather Outlook) FOR THIS EVENT...BUT STILL WELL TOO FAR OFF FOR WATCH CONFIDENCE...THOUGH THE POTENTIAL FOR WARNING SNOWFALL DEFINITELY DOES EXI(s)T WITH THE FORECAST PATTERN.
I read this as the NWS just being cautious, and that they see the same thing and they know that a lot can still change between now and even 24 hours from now in the models.

What I find interesting is that when I looked at the last 2 runs of the NAM & GFS BUFKIT and using the overview setting to look at accumulated snow it was printing out 12 to as high as 17 inches of snow.

Finally I want to reiterate what Scott said yesterday in his post as many of you focus on the center of the surface storm from the most recent model runs,
"What really has me convinced at this point is not so much the surface but the 500mb low diving South from from Southern Canada. This upper low is really what will help ignite this storm and cause it to stall for a 24 hour period Friday morning through early Saturday."
For all saying that ALL the models have this storm to far east, I see it retrograding back west to start early Friday morning into Saturday morning as it stalls as Scott mentions above.

Like any forecast we have to wait and see, but to go back to my the original idea of this post whether it is "Hype" or "Preparation" I am going to stick by preparation as it this storm will take place during a weekend. There is a big Syracuse basketball game scheduled this weekend and many people will probably be traveling. If a storm looks like it will be a major inconvenient for people and potentially cause dangerous and hazardous travel then we have responsibility to let those who may be making plans to know what may impact them.

47 comments:

  1. Fine article. Just change the "preporation" spelling in the article's title.

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  2. I just did LOL sorry about that, I am a chronic poor speller. I try so hard. Thanks

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  3. Not a problem. Good luck with the storm. Part of me is looking forward to a doozie. Part of me is dreading the driveway cleanup. I tested the until-now idle snow blower yesterday, just in case. It started, thank God. I'll be wearing my jammies inside out and backwards so that we get a snow day on Friday. I'm one of those teachers that get snow days and summer off... don't shoot me.

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  4. Well, just in case, I am going to put the plow on the Silverado tomorrow and throw some chains in the back to assist those who may slide off the road. I really appreciate those who put links up to read up on. I LOVE weather! I have been in the south past 11 years and I am ready for a good snow storm. I am used to tornados! It figured that the winter that I leave Nashville, they see the most snow in years!

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  5. Thanks Brian. Awesome article. I think a lot of us snow lovers have been waiting for so long for the BIG ONE and we have been so dissappointed this year that we do not think it will happen. We will see.

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  6. you guys not only have to forecast the weather and get it to the nearest .05" but, you also have to be grammatically perfect in addtion to a Lucy Van Pelt type of psychologist for soemthing you have no control over - you are gluttons for punishment!

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  7. These blogs are becoming very entertaining.

    I love predictions. This reminds me of the Phantom Blizzard of 1978 when John Hamilton was so sure we were getting the big one, then at the last hour it missed us. This storm had the lowest recorded pressure at that time. I remember my family and I kept looking out the window, seeing a few flurries, saying here it comes. And it never did.

    Sure we will get some snow and wind out of this system, but not to the extent everyone is expecting.

    I am by no means a weather forecaster, but after reviewing the latest models, this storm will be to far east to give us feet.

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  8. Not really. If anything, the NAM takes the low even closer to us than the last couple runs. The latest 12z run has the low actually just WEST of Albany at hour 68. That's right, West! No way that is too far east. It's just perfect.

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  9. The new 12z GFS has the low further inland over NE Pa. Almost just like the 12z nam.

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  10. I think this just about says it all, folks:

    http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/12/images/gfs_pcp_060m.gif

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  11. Okay, help the new guys out, what does that link and image represent?

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  12. Just discovered the blog, keep up the good work, very good stuff. Regarding hype vs. reporting, my take is if you are calling it the "next big one" that sounds more like hype instead of reporting. I know its got to be exciting for the local forecasters so I understand why they get pumped up for potential storms.

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  13. Who is calling this storm the NEXT BIG ONE??? We haven't said that we have just been advising people of the potential for the biggest storm of the year. By the way, 12" would easily be the biggest of the year. All of our posters have been hyping this more than me and my team has.

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  14. Well to the person who asked what that image was, it's one models forecast (as of now) of where the storm will be Thursday Night around 8pm EST.

    Of course as we have said this time around it is more important where the upper level storms are versus the surface low...
    (But the location of the surface storm will still play a large role don't misunderstand me)

    Over at AccuWeather.com Professional site, Their Senior Meteorologist, Joe Bastardi on his blog, was talking about this storm and comparing it to the 1958 storm. His thoughts are similar to ours that places including Rochester here in Western NY could get a foot possibly 2 from Thursday Night into Saturday.

    There are some small similarities to 1958. The center of that storm was farther east than what is being shown here BUT the upper level centers were close to what is being forecasted. That storm produced 30 inches of snow for Rochester.

    Does that mean we will see 30 inches this time around, ABSOLUTELY NOT, but going back to Friday when Scott made his first post on this storm, this potential storm has a lot of ear marks we look for when forecasting a significant event like this here in Rochester and Western New York.

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  15. Thanks Brian for the input on that graph. There needs to be a weather for dummies book ;)...Hmmm retirement plan for you all??...write a book??...

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  16. Actually there are, 2 of them and I own them both. "Complete Idiots Guide To Weather" & "Weather For Dummies". Honestly there several good weather books for those who want to just know the basic workings of weather and forecasting. Hey sounds like a blog idea for another day.

    I got them to see what they had to say and sometimes they are just a quick resource to answer someone's question in simple terms.

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  17. Thanks Brian!! Looks liek Amazon is going to get a sale :) I have enjoyed reading the posts the past few days in prep for the late week storm. It should get interesting around here! I just pray folks are careful on the road. I know with the nickel and dime stuff we have had, I have seen so many people wipe out on 390. I can only imagine what will happen if it does blow up around here. Be safe folks!!

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  18. At Barnes and Noble in Pittsford, there is a whole section on weather upstairs. Big thick books that discuss how weather works and different kinds of weather phenomenon...with great colored pictures. Just pick up a couple books, go downstairs at the starbucks, have a drink and spend an hour or so reading through it in the cafe. It really makes a fun way to spend an afternoon...that is if you're a weather geek like myself.

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  19. Brian again - When I renewed my AMS I picked up a new book, The AMS Weather Book (The Ultimate Guide to America's Weather) by Jack Williams. I just got it yesterday. I'll let you know what I think.

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  20. Thanks again for the book information. Mife calls me a weather nerd so I guess that I am in the right club :) So how about this storm for the end of the week. I'm getting giddy!!

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  21. That was supossed to say "my wife" But Mife works too :)

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  22. I really don't think a foot or 2 of snow over a three day period (Thurs.-sat.) is any big deal. I mean that's 36 hours. A good heavy lake effect event pumps out two sometimes 3 inches per hour. So even 24 inches over 36 hours is no big deal. Now granted, strong gusty winds can make a world of difference but we came from tough stock here in western new york. We can handle it.

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  23. Scott, Brian, Bob,

    You guys are doing a great job. I don't think you're hyping at all. You're calling is as you see it and you give good reasons why. I truly hope that this storm reaches its full potential for us here in WNY and we get absolutely buried and clobbered. If that happens, hope everyone stays safe.

    BTW, accuweather is known for hyping and they're already calling this storm a monster, a white hurricane, a blizzard of historic proportions, the blizzard of all blizzards this winter (which very well could be, but still....) None of our forecasters here on News8 has used any such language.

    News8 weather team...keep up the great work and thanks so much for being so open with us. Your communication to us ROCKS!!!

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  24. Ahem...24 inches over 36 hours IS a big deal, esp. the way this winter has been! I would be leaping out of my snowsuit in absolute bliss if that happened! Come on! Yes, we can take it, but IT IS A BIG DEAL IF WE GET THAT MUCH!!!! With super strong winds forecasted, this storm has the potential to reach blizzard warning criteria here in WNY on Friday if everything comes together right. Not hyping, just stating my opinion as I see it now.

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  25. Planning on leaving for a trip to the Caribbean Saturday AM. Please say the plane can leave with 2 feet of snow. :)

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  26. For all you pessimists take a look at the afternoon GFS run. The heavier QPF is now trending westward. Looks like Western NY has a target painted on it!

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  27. yeah i agree you guys are doing a good job not hyping this storm too much. leave the hype to channel 10 they are the king of hype!

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  28. Scott or Brian,
    I just looked at the updated run of the euro on the penn state e-wall. I have a hard time interpreting it, but i think it backs that low up and really bombs it out further west -similar to the 12z run of today's GFS. Am I seeing that right?

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  29. Now Now It's only Tuesday we don't need to be throwing out the "B" word just yet. Like I said before the ear marks are there, and there's definitely going to be a storm. As of now all indications point to double digit amounts, in my opinion.

    I will also admit I am a little leery about this storm given the winter we've seen, but it is our responsibility to tell you what we see especially if it will have the kind of impact this storm is beginning to show.

    No doubt about it, it has been fun to watch since last week and will continue to be as we get closer so keep the comments coming.

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  30. I notice that on the ECMWF too. Guys is that right about the ECMWF backing the low further west toward us compared to it's last runs?

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  31. The models are now spitting out alot of precip for us fro this event. When will the NWS issue Winter Storm Watches? I would think by tomorrow if thge models continue to show what they show.

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  32. Accuweather is already calling this a Blizzard that will act like a hurricane. They are calling this a potential paralyzing blizzard. I know they hype things up, but is that a potential for this storm?

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  33. I am starting to become a nervous wreak!

    Accuweather is saying that the winds are going to knock out power for weeks. Shall I get the generator ready? They are saying we could get hurricane force winds for three days with 2 feet of snow.

    Come on guys. You guys are the best weather team for the Rochester area.

    What is this storm going to turn into? Will it be like the Super Storm of 93? Are the winds really going to be all that strong?

    Please answer!

    Man, I better go take a pill ;)

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  34. I am really confused on the Euro. It has a 988mb low off the coast of Maine on Friday and then backs it all the way to Eastern, Ny on Saturday. That seems ridiculous to me.

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  35. Yeah the EURO did that weird blip, not sure I am using that right now. As far the guy who wants to take a sedative, I will say someone will get blizzard conditions, but where is what we have to determine and still early.

    If you have been following the comments from this morning I had people and still do, who are ready to give up and call this a "bust" You live by the models you die by the models. There is more to weather forecasting than just using the models. Even the best of us sometimes forget that and these are the storms that help us remember that.

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  36. You think you're stressed out...imagine being Scott, Brian and Bob right now. They have to go into "inform the public of a potentially serious situation" mode. A mode that Schools and other agencies may make drastic changes to avoid (such as closings). We should all take times like these to appreciate what these guys do. And they do it with class and professionalism.

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  37. Probably be a good idea to check the grill tanks in case we do loose power. It would be a shame not to be able to have a cup a coffee while watching the snow fall :)

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  38. I second that. Nothings better than sitting with a hot cup of coffee watching a raging blizzard outside. It's almost cozy.

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  39. I know, I laugh every time I see that Verizon commercial with the father who has his kids out shoveling the driveway and he burns his lip on the coffee. Mine ate 1, and 4 with a third on the way so the 4 year old wants to go sledding!

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  40. They have already put up winter storm watches for Central and Eastern, NY for Thursdat=y into saturday with a foot or more of snow. I wonder how long it will take Buffalo to do the same????????????

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  41. Some call it "Hype "I belive in being informed. I would rather have you be wrong an only get 12" Than have you be wrong an get 2-4 feet as could happen if this thing regeesses farther to the west than the models say. The last time I "checked" no computer or person really knows what mother nature is really going to do.
    Being a transplant from the mid west in St.
    Louis we never worried about a big storm till the forcaster's call for a 30% chance of flurries. That is when we got the biggest storms. 18-24 "
    George in Brighton

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  42. Should I go into "state of emergency" mode for this storm? I guess I would rather be prepared than not...Wegmans here I come!

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  43. I was at Wegmans earlier and I almost bought "storm supplies" (i.e. cookies and hot chocolate mix) but I didn't because I didn't want to jinx it!!!!!

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  44. I think we are jumping the gun guys. You all know how things change even the day of the storm.
    I am not getting my hopes up just yet. I will be more convinced tomorrow.

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  45. Channel 10 is now saying a foot or more of snow

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  46. Thanks for the book info.http://getonlineadvice.blogspot.com/

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